I'd take a look at Loftus's new book but what's the point? Loftus is nothing but a God-hating liar. I think one would get more theologigal worth from a Dr Seuss book. John has been accused of child molestation, has been to jail several times on sexual related charges and is cheating on his wife at this moment. Why would I want to even sully my hands with the thing. Word on the street is that he became an Atheist because he couldn't reconcile his homosexual lifestyle with Gods word so he just made up some stupid reasons for leaving Christianity. Plus the hat is really old. It's a real shame Bill Craig wasted even one minute trying to save this clowns soul.

Daddy Cool said...

I heard through the grapevine that Frank Walton and Will Hawthorne had a major falling out. So Will gave AS back to Frank then left both AS and Aid.

May 30, 2008 8:09 AM
Blogger M said...

There was a "falling out", but this wasn't the reason for Will leaving.

May 30, 2008 1:33 PM
Blogger Daddy Cool said...

Fair enough, good luck. Hey if you guys are looking for contributors, Id be willing to jump on board.

May 30, 2008 3:40 PM
Blogger Leslie said...

I'm sad to have seen Will gone... but I'm glad to see that you've assumed that role now, M. I've read some of your things from Cadre, and of course some things over this direction, and I've always been impressed by the attitude you give across. I know there's only so much credibility over the internet, but I still feel like there's a notable difference in your dealings with people of all sorts - you seem to have a Christ like attitude, and I appreciate that a lot from an intelligent apologist. I look forward to the future of this blog.

May 30, 2008 5:12 PM
Blogger Daddy Cool said...

Hey, I just checked out Leslie's site. You should check it out. He's a really talented comic strip writer. I really dug the answering machine one

http://headofleslie.com/comics/?paged=7

Plus Frank Walton has told me that he's getting ready to start a new blog. I won't get into details other than to say it's going to be an aggressive approach to refuting top atheist writers point by point and he's going to be looking for writers to help.

May 31, 2008 11:04 AM

frank walton said...

Okay, I'm gay. I just fucked Ted Bell up the ass and he told me he enjoyed it. I pick my own butt and eat what's left on it. I also hate Christianity but pretend to be one. Will someone please rape my wife. She's a whore and anybody can use her any way they want.

Saying Goodbye
Readers,

This blog started as an extension of the "Atheism Sucks" (AS) blog, whose original creator was Frank Walton. Frank Walton is deeply unsatisfied with the way I've chosen to run things, he thinks I'm a shallow writer and thinker, and he is convinced that I'm not as competent as he is to blog about these matters. He disagrees that this blog should be religiously neutral and thinks that it should be a Christian apologetics blog. He has demanded that I give him full access to AS. I have decided to do that and resign. I have been deleting any posts I authored at AS, so it's as if I was never there. I will be doing the same thing here. I am discontinuing my role and I am putting Mariano and M both in charge of this blog to do with it what they will.

Although I disagree with the way Frank Walton handles things, and I disagree with the way he does apologetics, I have nothing against him personally. I'm sorry I've let you down, Frank.

Will

Giving Frank Full Control Again
Readers,

It turns out that the person I thought was an imposter is actually the REAL Frank Walton. He is deeply unsatisfied with the way I've handled this blog, and he disagrees with my approach. He believes that I am a shallow writer and that I am not as competent as he is, to put it mildly. He has asked for full control of this blog. Therefore, I'm deleting myself as a contributor (as well as my posts) and releasing control of the blog to Frank Walton again.

Frank, I'm sorry for letting you down.

Will

Invitation to Frank to write posts again on atheismsucks
Rumors have been circulating that this blog was "stolen" from Frank Walton. Those rumors are false. It seems there is a person (or more likely, several people) right now writing blog comments under the user name of "Frank Walton", spreading lies, posting porn, making false allegations, and generally trying to confuse everybody. They aren't the real Frank Walton, so be cautious.

Frank and I did have some disagreements about methodology. But those disagreements were resolved, and in an email to me (dated 2/21/2008), Frank stated:



On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Frank Walton wrote:
William,

...I will be reinstating your account (I'll be emailing you the contribution link). Don't worry, you won't have to deal with me, my stupidity, my immaturity, my posts... You know why? I will be deleting myself from the group. So, you won't have to deal with me again. You will have full access to the blog. And you can do whatever you want with it. It is literally yours to have. You can even revise what I've written before. Or even delete it if you want. Do whatever you want. I won't get in your way. (Emphasis mine.)


So the blog was not "stolen". Frank of his own accord decided to not blog anymore, and he handed it over to me. There is also a rumor circulating that Frank wants to write a final post here on Atheism Sucks and that I've refused to let him. This too is false. Just to be absolutely sure it's false, I have sent his email address an invitation to be an author so he can write again, and I've provided a screen capture (click to enlarge) for proof:



(Frank's email address is atheismsucks@yahoo.com)

Hopefully these rumors can now be put to rest. And again, be sure to verify whether anybody writing under the name of "Frank Walton" on blogger is the real Walton or just an imposter. Please email me with any further questions.

Hi, this is Frank Walton. I'm sorry I did not receive your email. As of May 4th (2008) anybody posting outside of atheismsucks.blogspot.com, rationalresponders.blogspot.com, blasphemychallenge.blogspot.com, theismbeatsatheism.blogspot.com, myspace.com/atheismsucks, myspace.com/blasphemychallenge, or geocities.com/atheismsucks claiming to be "Frank Walton" is NOT me. They're impostors!

Also, rumors of me not getting along with William Hawthorne [the "mickey mouse" apologist who gives Ray Comfort a run for his money - don't believe me(?), read William's shallow-minded articles in his blog at "Atheism is Dead"(*) and you'll see what I mean] is absolutely TRUE! Recently, he has been disrespectful towards Craig French [a former member of "Atheism Sucks" and a totally awesome writer who has been cautious and weary of Hawthorne's compromising of orthodox Christianity(**)] and yours truly(***). This is something I could not stand for. William continuously shuns all sense of reality and logic. I've confronted him about this yet he reacts coldly, half-heartedly, naively (hey, he's young), and foolishly. *SHRUGS* Walter Martin had Hank Hanegraaff as his pain in the ass, and I have William Hawthorne as mine. And like Hanegraaff, William uses people for his own prestige. I regret William has my blogsite.

Be well, both pagans and Christians!

Always,

Frank Walton




(*) - Here's more proof that William Hawthorne is a putz. Former members of my crew found this out about him:

Previously, before I put him in charge of "Atheism Sucks", William Hawthorne (which is a pseudonym by the way) authored two blogsites that had little to no visitors! But in these blogsites, you'll realize he gave little input (all he does is post youtube videos, and link to better thinking writers than him), and wrote some of the most unsophisticated and unoriginal posts; and when he tried to write something as "original" as he could get it, it's awfully poor and shallow in quality, while the other writers did a wonderful job passing philosophical muster. It seems that William needs other people to gain more popularity (he certainly did that with me).

Furthermore, William speaks of changing his tone since his move to atheismisdead.blogspot.com yet you'll notice there is no change of tone whatsoever! He still gives us frank posts with superficial feedback, boring and dull commentary, and odd to unhumorous insults. Despite his telling me and the crew he wanted a more scholarly tone, he never gives it to us.

And don't let William's so-called Biola education fool you (Biola, dude, keep him!). He may know the books (he brandishes it in his blogsite like he's an intellectual giant), but when he applies it, it's a friggin' joke. Yes, indeed, William Hawthorne is the "Rook Hawkins" of Christian apologists (well, okay, he's not that bad, but he's certainly close). He tries so desperately to show how smart he is, yet he's oblivious to the fact that he's a shallow-minded fool.

(**) - Read all about it here.

Also, I'd like to thank Craig French for doing an awesome radio interview where he advertised for the "Atheism Sucks" blogsite. Of course, William Hawthorne ruined the whole situation by changing the agenda of the site and moving it!

(***) - To make a long story short: I found out that William Hawthorne planned on doing absolutely nothing, nada, zip with the "Atheism Sucks" blogsite! Meaning, despite my saying he can do whatever he wants with my blog, he thought the best thing to do with it was absolutely nothing by leaving it alone without publishing any more posts in it (since he moved). With that in mind, I asked if he could make an exception by giving me back my blog (gee, I only wrote about 97% of the material), so I can make one last post to dispense a recent rumor that he stole my site from me (this rumor was made by an atheist stalker who pretended to be me and posted on a very public and popular blog!). I promised William I did not intend on coming back to blog again at "Atheism Sucks" since I have no interest in that anymore. Also, I promised that he would have no problem with people going to his site. This would obviously help him out, and the staff, too (a staff I found for him by the way - Mariano, IrishFarmer, Tron, M, and Croath are awesome writers - I would visit "Atheism is Dead" just for them). To my utter revulsion he denied my request. (Why?!) I suspect he thought I might have given "Atheism Sucks" to someone else to use (trust me, William is scared of competition unless he has friends to back him up... he's a pansy!). So, when it's all said and done this is what William is doing: he doesn't intend on doing anything with the "Atheism Sucks" blogsite and he won't give it back to me to make one measly post. Pretty stupid, huh? But that's William for you.



Using God's name in Vain


I knew it wouldn't be long before Hawthorne finally cracked. During our discourse this is what he told me (5/4/2008):

For the record, you're right about one thing: I am a nobody. And like I've said before, but which you seem to forget, this blog is not about me or you or any of us. It's not about being a rockstar apologist and "utterly destroying" everybody in your path. We are here to serve Christ; he and only he gets credit. Thus I take no offense whatsoever when you belittle me for not being famous.

To which I retorted with:


... You're right, you are a nobody, but I can't see how God can get the credit in a blogsite that is not even religious in nature! You said so in your Q&A, you friggin' dumb ass!!! Did you forget why Craig French left in the first place? You'd know if you weren't so dismissive with him.

This is what Hawthorne wrote in his Q&A:


1. Is this a religious blog? No. The primary aim of the blog is to provide a platform for independent thinkers, from all backgrounds, to express their criticism of the increasingly dogmatic atheists we find ourselves confronted with. Thus, theistic Buddhists, panentheists, Muslims, agnostics, Wiccans, ex-atheists, and non-atheists of any sort, are welcome.

Sorry William, but you can't give credit to God if there's no religion involved. After all, to give God credit, He alone must be involved. I think we all know you're putting your ego where it doesn't belong. Feel free to forward anybody my email correspondence with you lest you say I took you out of context.